Jeremiah Chapter 20 Verse 7
O LORD, thou hast deceived me, and I was deceived; thou art stronger than I, and hast prevailed: I am in derision daily, every one mocketh me.
Oct 19, 2009 3:37:00 PM #1
"Deceived by God"
One may notice, that this is most definitely blasphemous statements by the Prophet Jeremiah.
Note, in Jeremiah 1:5, he was deemed a Prophet by God. However what is curious about this statement, is here we have the mouthpiece of God, the one whom God reveals things that which normal men do not receive, and here he utters such a bashful statement.
Now how is he deceived by God? I have read by some Christian commentaries, namely Matthew Henry and Adam Clarke that the word "persuasion" may be used in place of "deceived", however the words differ in meaning:
1) To cause to believe what is not true; mislead.
2) to cause to believe; convince
(thefreedictionary.com)
If deceived is used we have only one option, we learn God, lied to him.
If persuade is used, we get two options, a good (to be persuaded by God) or to be wrongfully lied to (by God).
So by switching the words, as the commentaries say, we get a good scenario and we can derive that he was "persuaded" and hence God "convinced" him, which is much better than saying "God lied to him".
We'll stick with the original meaning and not change anything. Jeremiah was lied to. Quite clearly. So what did God lie to him about?
God made a promise to Jeremiah in Jeremiah 1:19, where he is promised safety under the will of God for his service as a Prophet.
"And they shall fight against thee; but they shall not prevail against thee; for I am with thee, saith the LORD, to deliver thee."
However God lied, because they did prevail against Jeremiah:
He just got beaten in chapter 20! Thrown in a cistern in chapter 38! The king even burns his scroll in chapter 36, threatened with death in chapter 26 and put in jail also in chapter 36!
- Clearly, God did not keep His promise and Jeremiah was lied to, deceived.
They "prevailed" against him to the point where later in this chapter he goes against God again and his enemies prevailed to the point he became suicidal!
Jeremiah 20:14-18 shows this in great detail.
Not only does Jeremiah become suicidal, he also authors confusion! Jeremiah in verses before 14, praises God, then in verse 14 and onwards he is disgusted with what God has done to him, thus contradicting the scripture again:
"For God is NOT the author of confusion . ." I CORINTHIANS 14:33
Coming to a conclusion, not only was he lied to, he was lied to the extent he abandoned God (verse 9), suicidal in verse 14 and blasphemous in verse 7.
If this is the example of a righteous Prophet, I'm shocked.
One may notice, that this is most definitely blasphemous statements by the Prophet Jeremiah.
Note, in Jeremiah 1:5, he was deemed a Prophet by God. However what is curious about this statement, is here we have the mouthpiece of God, the one whom God reveals things that which normal men do not receive, and here he utters such a bashful statement.
Now how is he deceived by God? I have read by some Christian commentaries, namely Matthew Henry and Adam Clarke that the word "persuasion" may be used in place of "deceived", however the words differ in meaning:
1) To cause to believe what is not true; mislead.
2) to cause to believe; convince
(thefreedictionary.com)
If deceived is used we have only one option, we learn God, lied to him.
If persuade is used, we get two options, a good (to be persuaded by God) or to be wrongfully lied to (by God).
So by switching the words, as the commentaries say, we get a good scenario and we can derive that he was "persuaded" and hence God "convinced" him, which is much better than saying "God lied to him".
We'll stick with the original meaning and not change anything. Jeremiah was lied to. Quite clearly. So what did God lie to him about?
God made a promise to Jeremiah in Jeremiah 1:19, where he is promised safety under the will of God for his service as a Prophet.
"And they shall fight against thee; but they shall not prevail against thee; for I am with thee, saith the LORD, to deliver thee."
However God lied, because they did prevail against Jeremiah:
He just got beaten in chapter 20! Thrown in a cistern in chapter 38! The king even burns his scroll in chapter 36, threatened with death in chapter 26 and put in jail also in chapter 36!
- Clearly, God did not keep His promise and Jeremiah was lied to, deceived.
They "prevailed" against him to the point where later in this chapter he goes against God again and his enemies prevailed to the point he became suicidal!
Jeremiah 20:14-18 shows this in great detail.
Not only does Jeremiah become suicidal, he also authors confusion! Jeremiah in verses before 14, praises God, then in verse 14 and onwards he is disgusted with what God has done to him, thus contradicting the scripture again:
"For God is NOT the author of confusion . ." I CORINTHIANS 14:33
Coming to a conclusion, not only was he lied to, he was lied to the extent he abandoned God (verse 9), suicidal in verse 14 and blasphemous in verse 7.
If this is the example of a righteous Prophet, I'm shocked.
Oct 19, 2009 4:08:00 PM #2
Note:
1) Deceived.
2) Persuade.
(Words were left out above for the definitions above).
1) Deceived.
2) Persuade.
(Words were left out above for the definitions above).
Oct 20, 2009 8:21:06 AM #3
The Bible continually depicts the prophets of God as degenerates and the scum of society.
According to this book, Noah is a drunk, David murders for lust, Lot is raped by his own daughters and Jesus commits disbelief on the cross.
I agree that 'persuasion' doesn't seem to quite fit.
According to this book, Noah is a drunk, David murders for lust, Lot is raped by his own daughters and Jesus commits disbelief on the cross.
I agree that 'persuasion' doesn't seem to quite fit.
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